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A Contagious Smile Podcast
The truth will set you free, even when others try to silence it
Howdy y'all. Welcome to a special edition of Rage from a contagious smile post-Victoria.
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't think that's accurate or correct at all. We're just doing a special edition podcast because today is my FU anniversary. Fu anniversary I got the pleasure of interviewing Tyron Jackson, who has become a friend, and he has such an amazing, motivational and heartbreaking story which you guys will hear when it releases soon. He is a brother as amputee and a motivational speaker. Nice, nice guy. We were talking about that. Today is my three years of being an amputee and he and it was an amputee anniversary or happy amputee anniversary, whatever three years and we were talking about what it's like to really get through it and people don't get it unless they have become an amputeT right.
Speaker 2:Nobody understands that. So we were talking about that and we were talking about the release of.
Speaker 2:Dear Silence you Lost. We Get the Last Word, and that will be on ebook and paperback. As we celebrate See, we're celebrating, we got bells and whistles the release of this international what would you call it, babe? It's an international gathering of survivors. That is just amazing, and I am so honored that these wonderful human beings trusted me with their stories and allowed me to tell the world of their show, the world, their bravery, and the sacrifice and the survival to which every single one of them have.
Speaker 1:So y'all get on Amazon and get this book.
Speaker 2:Well, hold on. It wasn't supposed to be released until October 1st, but the e-book is live as of today and the paperback is still in approval. But it will be out shortly and all proceeds go to offering scholarships to those that need that, so we can provide that comfort and health and healing without a price tag, because you shouldn't have to pay to better yourself and to get through tough times.
Speaker 1:The name of the book is Dear Silence you Lost, compiled by Victoria Curie, written by hundreds.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, these are their actual stories. These are their what would you call it Heroic escapes. Maybe they're traumatic nightmares.
Speaker 2:This is their voice. Excuse me, this is their voice, they and I and you, because you're in it. You actually submitted a letter in this is a voice for the voiceless. We were basically like introverted within ourselves, going through, whether it's emotional.
Speaker 1:Physical, verbal, emotional sexual.
Speaker 2:It's all in there and this is their like taking the tape off. This is them using their voice and stating hey, guess what? We survived and this is how we did it. This is our story. So, yeah, it's it's. It's an honor, but was a very, very challenging thing to do, because when you read what everybody went through, it's a lot, it's very challenging.
Speaker 1:So if you don't have Kindle, put it in your wish list and be able to look out for it.
Speaker 2:For paperback. Yes, yes. So let's talk about black sheep. Let's talk about black sheep. Let's talk about the black sheep of family.
Speaker 1:Well, that would be you, that would be me, that would be how many others, so many.
Speaker 2:What do you think it's like? Well, first of all, one of the very first things I've ever learned and I know, you learned and know, but I learned even from studying and courses and things like that is that, and I learned firsthand from life itself is that narcissists cannot accept or claim responsibility for their actions, no matter what it is, if it is not making them look better or putting themselves out there in a positive way they care more about the public's perception of them than what they do behind closed doors.
Speaker 2:They will never accept accountability for their actions, right? So as funny as that is and I don't mean it comically and as black sheep you know we all know that I survived horrific domestic violence. Any domestic violence is horrific right, but I have had well over 100 surgeries and I have still now made my reason for life beside my husband and child to help others and for 20 years. That's what I've done.
Speaker 2:I have advocated and stood with stood for and helped survivors of domestic violence, special needs children and never taken a check for it. This is something that I have done because I believe in it so strongly. My husband believes in it so strongly my daughter believes in it so strongly. And so in the beginning, for who kicked first? I, which is your memoir? That is a that is a memoir, and I was literally being interrogated by any and everyone, and so I started to take notes. Faith was in a medical injury coma, so we couldn't stimulate her.
Speaker 2:But I sat beside her and talked to her and told her stories and saying to her but I literally took my laptop and just started writing and writing and writing. I literally took my laptop and just started writing and writing and writing, because when you're being interrogated, you know I'm sorry and I totally don't agree with our system. But the thing is is that the person who did the crime is not getting interrogated, the and I hate the word victim, I think it's so inappropriate. We are interrogated. I always ask well, who broke your nose?
Speaker 1:Where were they?
Speaker 2:Who was around? What time of day was it?
Speaker 1:What was?
Speaker 2:the weather like what was he wearing? What were you wearing? When you're getting your nose shattered open, I promise you that you are not looking at your surrounding environment. You're not looking at who is it? Nine o'clock. Who's at three six, 11.
Speaker 1:You're not looking at any of that.
Speaker 2:I'm sitting in my vehicle.
Speaker 2:I'm on a military installation and I'm getting my face smashed open, that I can tell you. Well, what day of the week was it? What day of time of the day was it? What were they wearing? Well, obviously it was a youthful who was standing around around. I don't know. They all look like little gi dope figures, right.
Speaker 2:So it's like constant, and it was like we have to not prove our like our innocently to prove our truth. Well, I've always said from day one you don't have non-cosmetic surgery for things that aren't broken, right. You're not going to go to the hospital have your nose set if it's not broken, they're not going to do it. You're not gonna have a titanium face if your jaws are shattered beyond repair and you have multiple surgeries to get there, right. You're not gonna lose your hearing and require hearing aids and have actual hearing tests that show hearing loss due to trauma if you don't have it right. So this is all cut in your eye. There it is. So the one thing about narcissism is that they never can hold themselves accountable for their actions. Okay, and one of the main things that narcissists love is the sense of truth.
Speaker 2:They think it is like the best analogy I can do is like a little kid stomping their feet, not getting their way, and they're like oh, you're not listening to me, you know it's not, it's all it's supposed to, be all about me so to hell with you.
Speaker 2:Oh, stomping my feet, oh, oh, oh, turn around, walk off and stop talking to you until you need something again, and until that time comes, they have nothing for you or to do with you. Because here's the thing thing, and I can't wait to hear your thought on this the narcissist biggest threat is the black sheep, because the golden child is so I don't know what you want to say like taken care of that it's like the sheep, the wool is pulled over their eyes.
Speaker 1:Right they have on blinders.
Speaker 2:Blinders they have on. What do they call them like? The rose colored glasses, right? So with the black sheep? A narcissist spends their life like belittling the black sheep, tearing them down. Nothing is ever good enough. You know, like in my situation. I wrote a book and I heard oh well, your brother wrote a term paper or a thesis or you know whatever. Okay, great, good for him. Nowhere, anywhere can anyone say.
Speaker 1:I've ever said anything bad about my brother. Do we have a relationship? No, why?
Speaker 2:Because narcissistic parents separate the siblings out of fear that they'll come together and go against the parents right Now. I've always said from day one and I appreciate the fact that my biological parents did allow us to be there for refuge after my, our daughter, was born, and that would be months and months after they met her for the very first time. They didn't even meet her until she was well over three months of age, but geographically, from their front door to the door of the hospital was less than 1.5 miles.
Speaker 2:Right, less than 1.5 miles. So if there was no traffic, three minutes, right, seriously.
Speaker 1:Is that right or wrong? Yeah, from what I remember where they live, right.
Speaker 2:So I appreciate the refuge. I do. I appreciate that they let us. They did not have to. I've always said that, but that doesn't mean that that gives the right to do some things. Always said that, but that doesn't mean that that gives the right to do some things that were done.
Speaker 1:And I've always said I'm not innocent.
Speaker 2:I'm sure I've done bad things. I admit that I've done bad things. I made a deal with the devil that I wouldn't hit him back if he didn't hit my stomach right.
Speaker 1:These are things that.
Speaker 2:I openly admit to so. Needless to say, so many people ask me over the years how did you get to where? You were comfortable with someone like your ex Right, and it was after years and decades, really, of being on a therapist couch. I was in therapy in elementary and middle and high school constantly. It was consistent.
Speaker 1:I've always been on the couch, because I never understood why I was in the month.
Speaker 2:Why could I not have a dad that would say I love you? Why could I not have a dad that said he's proud of me, or? You know, I was always trying to get him to even want to be around me, and, and when I was little, I would go on motorcycle rides with him, I would want to do stuff with him, right.
Speaker 2:But then everything changed and I went 10 years without speaking to him, and the thing is that I got into careers to have something in common with him which I wanted nothing to do with, but I did it because I always wanted his approval. I always wanted him to say I'm proud of you, which I didn't hear, and I, like, constantly wanted to hear this. I never heard it, and the thing is that I had the influence of my grandparents which meant the world to me and I was willing to emulate what they had.
Speaker 2:And, yes, I went through in my early 20s whatever relationships Because I, literally I wasn't speaking to my biological parents. And I spent that time hiding, literally, literally, because I wanted nothing to do with them. And in the beginning of that time I met my soulmate, who's sitting here in front of me, and we spent four and a half beautiful years together, and part of that time I did see my biological parents and they everybody knew who my soulmate was because I held them in such a high regard and I was traveling with work and blah, blah, blah Anyway.
Speaker 2:So I never got that touch of you know we're proud of you or what you've accomplished. It's all like oh, you got this job, how much money do you make? Why are you living alone. Why are you doing this? You know I would get. Why don't you just put your name? On a bus stop, because that's the kind of white trash that you are and that's the kind of white trash that you have in your life as relationships.
Speaker 1:This is what I would hear constantly.
Speaker 2:I would hear you know about my scars. Men aren't going to find them attractive. Men aren't going to find you attractive. Things that were just You're effing hot, but just things that you would never say. I would never say these things to Faith Ever in my life.
Speaker 1:Don't mind telling her all the time, every day. I'm proud of her.
Speaker 2:She's beautiful.
Speaker 1:And I love her.
Speaker 2:And we broke the chains.
Speaker 1:We both did because we were not going to be like that.
Speaker 2:And see here's. The thing Is that I wrote this book and our kids there. And the thing is that the book and my husband has read it and my husband knows he can say whatever and I support him whether we agree on it or not, because that's why you have opinions. Everything in that book is backed by evidence, right Everything, and it's overwhelming. Like it took me a long time because it was do.
Speaker 1:I want to put that in there. Do I want to put this in there? Do I want to take?
Speaker 2:that out. You know how far do.
Speaker 1:I want to go with this, you know.
Speaker 2:Because there was probably another thousand pieces of evidence pictures and whatever that I kept, that I didn't include and I did not want to slam my brother, but I wanted him to know. I was hoping that if he ever read this book it would be eye-opening for him because he would really learn more about who they really were.
Speaker 2:But he was never going to believe me because he only heard what he got from them. He had no relationship with our biological father and you know they would show me things about how he would get upset with. You know this is that manner. But you know my husband has known me for the longest time. I've never said anything about him other than I'm glad he's happy and that he deserves to be happy.
Speaker 2:I have said that I truly wish he would get away from her, his mom, because she made it where he couldn't do anything without her, and that's not on him, that's on her right. So anyway, needless say, it was probably a couple months ago that my biological father approached my husband.
Speaker 2:And I'm so careful about everything. I've never said names or anything of that nature for multiple reasons. And he approached my husband and it wasn't really. It was kind of shocking because everybody knows that faith was in the hospital we almost lost her right and I mean we're not talking about like a car accident, god forbid anything like that. She was in full multi-organ failure. They told us call a priest, call your husband she's not going to get through the night.
Speaker 2:Then they said we'll keep her comfortable and let her pass. Natural, we didn't leave her side for months. Right, she had dozens of surgeries bedside. We know, for a fact that both of our families knew hands down.
Speaker 2:We knew, both sides knew about this and no one called from your side of the family and we heard later on that my biological father attempted to call once once, one time. No voicemail, no, nothing. Here's the thing. I got the wrong number. That's what we were told. We got the wrong number. Now he runs into my husband other owner now he runs into my husband and like he sees him maybe once a month, maybe every couple months, something like that. He'd saw him during this period. Not once did he say hey come here.
Speaker 1:Can I talk to you?
Speaker 2:what's going on with this? How's she doing what? Do y'all need nothing. We've been at the same children's hospital from birth. Right, this is where her team is. That's where all her doctors are everybody knows that his answer was we didn't know where he were right. That's a load of shit, so he approaches my husband and goes into this long dissertation which I guess that's where I get it from and talks about how hard things are now because his wife is sick and how horrible it is, because no one understands how hard it is to take care of someone with special needs.
Speaker 2:Right, and what do I do First time? I reach out and I call him. What you tried to call. What, when Not true? You know he could have gotten a message to us he didn't. I lately said had you, and you said to your family anybody who reached out to us while this was going on in the faith we would have absolutely put things aside and said if you want to see her, talk to her.
Speaker 2:Whatever, we had our hands full and we only have three. We only have three hands. We had support from our listeners and our followers. So we had people, you know, offering to pay for our parking and and helped us with some gofundme. They paid for some meals, with people sending meals up there. You know, like Whitney, who is amazing, she, she sent money for food and for parking and and things like that, and I will forever, we will forever be grateful to her for all of that and our own both sides, no right.
Speaker 1:So, needless to say, with all this and we're about to release this other dear silence book and you know the way people talk and whatever my husband is just eating at the day here. Just go ahead and interrupt me and say whatever you want to say come on no good no, go ahead, please.
Speaker 1:Well, let's not forget while we were there in a hospital for the two and a half months before we were transferred to another hospital for another month not leaving her bedside that we were able to bless a young man with a refrigerator? Yes, you recall that I did, and I know that's an odd thing, but the the he had some misfortune upon him his wife got injured and he worked at the hospital and he did not.
Speaker 2:He wasn't a doctor or a medical professional. He he worked in the food services and he always kept extra for us because we wouldn't come down yeah, we didn't leave her bedside y'all and so my husband didn't work for the first several weeks, but then went back um and was going back and forth, back and forth, and he met this gentleman who they started job jacking my husband job jacks with everybody and found out that they had lost almost everything and we had an extra refrigerator.
Speaker 2:Here we are going through all this and and he went. My husband went home, got the refrigerator when he went back home the next time and brought it back to this guy.
Speaker 1:Right, that's. You know. We had a lot of people you know support us, yeah, so I want to say you know we paid it forward. Right, we all paid it forward.
Speaker 1:You know we're not looking for glory, we're not looking to make millions. You know we're not looking for glory, we're not looking to make millions. You know, lord knows, we're not millionaires Not us in real life actually read the book and have commented on the book and got other people to comment on the book. So most of y'all listeners out there have heard or seen the videos about Philly Carry and the baseball.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:One of the players hit a home run, went up in the stands and the dad was there at the game celebrating his son's birthday. He went over there and he got the ball and gave it to his son as a birthday present. Karen, which the fans named. She, is now infamous. She came over and nagged the father so much said, it was her destiny to keep that ball and he gave it to her.
Speaker 1:He took it away from his kid. No, he gave it so that one he probably wouldn't have to listen to her mouth anymore.
Speaker 1:Two, he's there for him. He's there for his son. He didn't want this woman to ruin his birthday. So, and then you see what became that. The baseball team got together and gave that kid so many gifts and stuff, had him down, you know, in the dugout, or you know, with the players, Got an autographed baseball bat, Got so many things. Oh yeah, you got to look at it. So now this woman is infamous. Is that how Karen came about? Oh no, this is no. Yeah, Karen goes back a year or two, Okay.
Speaker 2:So I don't know where I was going with that, but you know, we try to do good things. And like we've started this academy right and we don't take away that people get expert, you know, medical, professional, psychological assistance and anyway, this is trauma-based. We've won five awards for what we have created.
Speaker 1:We are the first trauma-informed transformative network academy for special needs and survivors of abuse right these aren't awards that are just like you know publishers clearing house you know, the thing is that you've never seen.
Speaker 2:My husband will tell you I have never been someone who's like oh, I can't meet me today because I'm hurting and I'm just gonna go feel sorry for myself. I've never done that right, just my husband's not not been there. I've never done that you have not and I've never you know my husband gets on my butt about the fact that, like I don't boast about myself, we won an award. I won an award for best advocate domestic violence advocate internationally for 2025.
Speaker 2:And I'm like, okay, that's not me, it's the people I get to talk to. You know our ratings. We're a top global podcast. That's not me, it's the people I get to talk to. You know our ratings, we're a top global podcast. And it's not us, it's our listeners. It's because people believe in what we have to say and they're supportive of it. Right? So, with that being said, even after all, this time I'm you know, and I'm not doing this for a pity party.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, and you'll see in a second, I've lost my hearing. My face is all metal. I can't even go through a metal detector. My shoulders replaced. I have had over 100 surgeries that's not an exaggeration, right? And so I have metal everywhere.
Speaker 1:I have scars everywhere and then I get comments like well, you could just take a sharpie marker and play.
Speaker 2:Connect the dots to all your scars.
Speaker 1:You'll be busy for weeks.
Speaker 2:and this is from my biological father right. Who in the same shit would say that to their kids? Hi, damn surely Hi, Rusty Bear, Face service dog Rusty, our Rusty Bear has just come up and given love and hi baby. So with all the metal in my face, and my amputation and everything else that I've got going on. I have a major major surgery Friday where I am going to be completely deaf in one side, Like not even able to hear vibration. I'm 88% deaf in the other ear, but here I am still podcasting.
Speaker 1:I just finished podcasting with Tyron tonight.
Speaker 2:We've just been all day today launching and getting the e-book and the paperback book ready. I've written a master class and two other courses and survival kit. All which the survival kit, the masterclass and two other ones are free right. We're not trying to get richer in this. We're trying to pay it forward and help others Right. So with all of that and we don't want the notoriety and the recognition- we want to be able to help.
Speaker 2:We learned before that there was some pretty derogatory negative comments made about the nart nart book which, when you read them, babe, when you read them, it is so obvious. If somebody said to me, victoria, read this and tell me your thoughts. First thing, when you read it, it clearly states that the person who read it is somebody in the book. There is not a doubt. Right Because it's like oh, you're only writing one side of the story and it's releasing family drama.
Speaker 2:but never did it say anywhere that it's not accurate. Nowhere did it say is it false. And here's the thing the entire Dark Earth book does not have one page without evidence in it. The book is all evidence.
Speaker 2:There might be some words in it, but everything else is proof. You can't doctor up a text message. If you can, I sure as hell don't know how to do it. There's photographs, right. There's text messages. If you can, I sure as hell don't know how to do it. There's photographs, right. There's text messages. There's emails, there's everything, and then something.
Speaker 2:The negative review that came out was so crystal clear that it was without question somebody involved in the book. Without question somebody involved in the book. And I mean I am not going to point my one hand fingers and say it was this person, but we're going to narrow it down to two and I know one didn't read it. So it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing for me If you tell me don't read this book, okay, I'm a typical guy, I'm going to read the book. Don't push the button. I'm going, typical guy, I'm gonna. I'm gonna read the book. Don't push the button. I'm gonna push the button if you're gonna sit there and badmouth, my wife, as the author of this book.
Speaker 1:I want to know why, if I didn't read this book and I didn't know what it was about, I don't. I want to know why. Why is this getting so much publicity, right? Why is this guy or gal going out of their way to slander this author, your wife, my wife, right?
Speaker 1:so I want to know about the book now, so I think it's going to have the the same effect as philly kerry did. It's going to have a positive reflect on you in the book and I think more people are going to reach a positive reflect on you and your book and I think more people are going to reach out to get this book. Well, it's been out there for a minute Right, it's like this is all new.
Speaker 2:We just it's not new. We just now decided to talk about it because it's not that big of a deal. But you know, we had so much other stuff going on that we just didn't feel the need to talk about it. But you stuff going on that we just didn't feel the need to talk about it. But you know and you can be honest about and my husband is a very honest person be honest about. Do you think I would exacerbate anything like that? That's not even, no, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1:You didn't embellish anything in there, you didn't exacerbate anything uh you didn't blow anything up, you didn't put anything out of proportion. Everything was documented, it can be proven, it's you know. Of course the characters are fictitional, but the facts are the facts.
Speaker 2:Well, they're not fictitional in the fact that, like I changed names to protect why? I'm not, you know, sure, and I redacted the faces and names.
Speaker 2:So like you are protected, right. If you want to come forward and be like it's one-sided, then you are going to say who you are and then at that point I have the right to defend my word. I didn't redact anything, I haven't taken redaction off, right, and that's what I'm saying. But like just my husband knows me better than anybody, I gotta find this and just pull up and read a word of it, because it's like it's kind of just, it's so okay, go ahead so the, the books that you know my wife has written, that's got some controversy, her first one is called who kicked first and the prequel to that is
Speaker 1:nard, nard who's there, and they're both by victoria cure, so please get on there and see what we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 2:Well, you've met both of them. What is your no-holds-barred unedited, unabridged version of both of them?
Speaker 1:I did not know.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about. What do you think of?
Speaker 1:them. I did not know about them until I started reading this book.
Speaker 2:No, you knew kind of about them. Right, there's a lot going on there. Yeah, but now that you met them and speak to them, especially my biological father- I can see it it's the truth. You saw them when we were living there for a short period of time too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but.
Speaker 2:I didn't really know no. But when you read the book yeah um, I mean, the pictures are worth a thousand words. How do you explain a picture when you're on a weekend getaway with your daughter and your granddaughter and there's another woman there? And you're all up in her kool-aid, if you will, sitting beside her canoodling, or okay, you sat beside her. Whatever, I was told that this was going to be spun on me that I made her show up that I made her hang out with him, that I made him grow her, whatever.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing, right you made him feed her food, that was a different woman. Oh.
Speaker 2:There's been so many.
Speaker 1:Did I bring?
Speaker 2:that up and it's never. He never goes out with these other women unless my biological mother was out with either her son or she was babysitting the other kids, which she has no involvement in. But he wouldn't have all these other women. Well, I have text messages that are in the book where he messaged me at like 11 I don't remember.
Speaker 2:What are you looking for, um? I was. It was like 11 something at night, where he is telling me that he is still in the movie theater with this other woman and how much fun she is and he'll be back to the hotel soon, and he even goes so far as to talk about how there is a big empty bed, right. So, anyway, we've known about this for a good minute, but we just decided to bring it up, um, because this is the epitome of you know the narcissist against the black sheep.
Speaker 2:The black sheep is the one who knows the truth, who holds the truth and will share the truth. And anybody who has got a psychology, psychiatry, counselor, therapist, lived through it, been there, you know, been the black sheep, been the scapegoat. You know for a fact that's how it is with a narcissist. But when you hear this, it you know first of all it's done anonymously, which you know why, but fine. And then it talks about, like you know, certain people that you've known for a long time. You know how they dictate their words right.
Speaker 1:Their words are so you know Right, If I say alright, alright, alright, you think of one person.
Speaker 2:Right, like you say what and I'm like, yeah, you try to say what, but so it's a one-sided account packed with personal stories twisted to fit the author's narrative, taken grossly out of context. Packed with personal stories twisted to fit the author's narrative, taken grossly out of context. How do you grossly take it out of context? If you don't know If you're not there. Supposition Readers should be aware that this is not an honest or balanced restating of events. Hmm, restating of events, hmm.
Speaker 1:Restating of events.
Speaker 2:Right, but how can you write that if you're just a reader?
Speaker 1:Maybe they're a precognition.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, version of the quote-unquote truth that can conveniently cast the author as the hero or the victim in every scenario. Right, I have been so good about not leaning on any information as to who what, where, how, what they used to do anything of nature to protect them.
Speaker 2:for why, I'm not really sure. What's especially disturbing is how confident. Now how does a narcissist, if you're not a narcissist, how do you say that? What is especially disturbing is how confident she writes about the lives, identities and struggles of other people, as if she knows the whole story. She doesn't Not even close. How can a reader confidently put that in there? How can you write that right? And then says I spin a complex private matter into a shallow plot to stir sympathy, outrage or attention without getting the consent from the individuals that she's writing like. When you as an author, not me, because I've never done it, if I was going to write about jeffrey donward before he died.
Speaker 2:Do you think I would go and, like you know, yes, I would, because I would be using his name his story.
Speaker 2:I would be saying you know, this is a serial killer who did the unthinkable, and you're talking about specific stories and true geographic locations. I didn't mention mates, I didn't mention geographics, right? So in that aspect, I mean to me, like I said, we've known about this for a minute and we didn't want to talk about it until now, but it's, it's kind of like you read this and it's like why don't you just come on here and say she'll get one side of the story.
Speaker 2:Wait, hold on. That is in there. Never mind, that is in there that I only get one side of the story. Um, now here's this everyone has a right to tell their story, but not by hijacking someone else's. Now, if you're thinking about reading this, do so with caution. You're not getting the whole truth. You're getting one perspective incomplete, inflated and lacking any accountability. How is it you don't have accountability if all the book is is proof? I?
Speaker 1:mean. So what you didn't hear in there is hey, this book is a lie, it's all a lie.
Speaker 2:No, what you heard was.
Speaker 1:It's coming out, but this is a lie. What you heard was a recounting of life events, so therefore there are many and this is a true account, but from her perspective, right, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now that you have an even deeper insight, you know cause both sides of our, our family, as you stated in the beginning, are narcissists. But, like they told you, that they only tried to call once and you have been a god-sent father per faith, and I know because you told me how angry that made you because that's a poor ass excuse. How do you only make one phone call and you?
Speaker 1:the number was wrong, but you don't make any other effort.
Speaker 2:You know I mean you love and adore faith and you are amazing as a father. But to see an actual father make that statement is dumb.
Speaker 1:I can't understand that. That you know. I know I'm a black sheep from my my mother and my father, um, but I could not make that statement about our other two kids, even though our other two kids have kind of disassociated themselves from us, you know, due to whatever you know even when they were around not once have we ever talked about, about their mother? We never talked about her in front of them we always supported every one of them.
Speaker 2:I mean, at one point you know the baby because she's the wanted to move in and have me homeschool her. She wanted to be here full time.
Speaker 1:I'd be damned if we knew, as England, that one of them was her. We would be in a great hospital until we found them.
Speaker 2:That's how we were with your dad. We found out all night he had no air conditioning. We dropped everything and went straight down the gill, no questions asked. Right, we drove down, drove back. It was like 10 hours of driving nonstop. You know, faith, in the middle of the night, was in the backseat. We went down there and picked him up and brought him up, and that's just what you're supposed to do right. But then, like now, all of the time. You know he's.
Speaker 1:You know, it's just more confirmation that, hey, I'm admitting I'm a narcissist because I can't handle the accountability, right. Right, I'm going to put the author in the bad limelight, saying that this is all farce, it's all one-sided. It may be life events, but it's one-sided.
Speaker 2:Uh, I'm not denying it, I'm just saying I'm not taking accountability, I'm not taking responsibility for this right and the reason that I kept so much proof, unlike I did with my my idiot ex was because growing up and always wondering what you've done wrong and any black sheep, any scapegoat they get this. They understand completely. But when you're growing up, it's nothing you do is good enough and everything is questioned. You start to like get proof to remind yourself that it's not you right, it's not me, like, for instance, one of the women that was involved in this story happened to be my physical therapist on my arm, right, you couldn't make this shit up.
Speaker 2:You could not make it up, right, it's not, and this is the one that went out of town and came up to out of town with us.
Speaker 2:Well, instead of protecting his biological daughter, he starts warning her that I was seeking counsel at one point in time and was telling her and I was getting the text messages about it. Like I'm being shown these text messages and you can't make that up. So how do you stir that to be for you and then to have my own father say, hey, well, I wonder if you make money if you lost your whore, I mean, there's no amount of money that would fix that.
Speaker 1:What money do you make now from?
Speaker 2:I have made no money because there was no lawsuit, it was not pursued, but you know, I was told I wasn't allowed to touch her or do anything or or get her in trouble, and these were all things that we had documented.
Speaker 2:the only reason I had them documented, you know, was because and I was told blatantly that if I ever brought this to public life that he would make sure everybody knew that I made him do this. He was miserable Babe, and in the book because I don't have the exact count, give me an estimate of how many different women there are pictures of him with dining out in a intimate-ish setting.
Speaker 1:I'd say gosh, it's been a year now since that book, four of six, and there's at least 12.
Speaker 2:Yeah so and it's not just. You know, like when we go out with friends and they're sitting across from us, they're sitting side by side, they're feeding him, they're wiping his mouth, you know whatever. And you know, when we saw this, my husband looked at me and was like I guess you're out the will.
Speaker 2:And you know, we joked about it because I know I've been out of the will for ever today, and you know one of the reasons not that there is not a countless amount of them why I fell in love with my husband all over again is because my husband actually told my biological father that the only thing he wanted that he had was myself and faith.
Speaker 2:He didn't want anything else. He didn't want money, he didn't want anything now. I didn't want it. I would have loved to have had my grandparents belongings because I would like to pass them down, um, and have faith, have them. But I never counted on Any of the inheritance From all of the money and you know the house and cars and RV and everything that's paid for and you know we hadn't seen them in years.
Speaker 2:And we saw them and the first thing was oh, come look at my new Luxury foreign RV. No, the first thing was oh, come look at my new luxury foreign RV. No, I'm trying not to give any titles away. The luxury foreign four-door sedan. That was just purchased.
Speaker 2:And oh, you've got to get inside, you've got to look at it. It doesn't impress me, I don't care. No, you have to go look at it inside. No, come on try it, go look at it inside. Or you have to go look at it inside. No, you have to. No, come on try it, go look at it inside. Or oh, let's look at my new RV. Do you know what this thing goes for? Okay, I don't care. No, you have to go look at it inside. I'm not going inside of it. You know these were things. And then, just like that, what really is is that you have Faith, who is just the sweet, loving young lady ever.
Speaker 1:She's a very deep romantic girl. Oh yes, she's got a romantic side that comes out in her poetry.
Speaker 2:Well, here, hold on. Tell me, as a parent, that what makes no sense to me is that the biologicals stated to her biologicals stated to her biological father stated to her that you know, he wanted to put the past behind. He let it put the past back I remember that, and then her birthday came and went. No message, no happy birthday no, nothing.
Speaker 2:And then again. No happy birthday, no, nothing. And then again giving her the silent treatment. After everything that beautiful young lady has been through, you know he used to use her as an excuse for other women to be around and spend more time with, and you know I used to be the only child of all the you know, three of us. I was the only one that ever took care and covered for him, and that's because I was a black sheep right.
Speaker 2:He has no relationship with either child, which now he kind of does with my older stepsister, and that's because he needs help with his wife and but he goes behind her back and talks about.
Speaker 1:You know, I don, I don't want to move up there, but I do because I want to buy a yacht and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2:And then I asked him do they know you're speaking to us? And he was like no. And then he's talking about you. Know my brother?
Speaker 2:He got married and you know that my stepsister's son was throwing up at the venue and she screams and yells at him in you and um, she screams and yells at him and that the wedding was done by um, my step-sister's older son. He became an ordained minister and did this. I mean, how would I know any of this? He didn't tell me, right, he has no relationship with his son really either either. And oh, he did tell me that you know the groom, um, that he married who? I said I don't care, as long as he treats him right and he's happy. It's all I care about.
Speaker 2:And instead of saying anything, he goes oh they're going on a cruise at the end of the year for their anniversary, and his family wouldn't show up because they didn't want him getting married. He's an older guy, so there's a daddy complex in there somewhere. I mean just, you can't be happy, you cannot be happy, and that's just it.
Speaker 2:And then you all of a sudden stop talking about this you stop talking to your kid and you stop talking to your grandchild again. Right, I didn't reach out to you. You reached out to my husband, and that's the thing is. We have a drama, trauma-free life and we love it, and my husband's laughing because we haven't addressed this till now, like we normally talk about narcissism and the abuse and everything, but this is more uh focused, if you will, and what really got me and my husband is sitting here laughing and I wonder if he thought I was going to actually do this.
Speaker 2:but we sat across from him and he I said, why don't? And I said, why don't you come on the show? Why don't you come on the show and let's talk? And he, honest to God handed my tell me if I'm wrong, said what are we talking about, Right, what? And I was like why don't you come on and talk about what it's like for your biological daughter to have endured the abuse to which I went through? What it's like for you? And he was like why would I do that?
Speaker 1:why not?
Speaker 2:and then he wanted to know how many people listen, how many millions of people listen. And then he was like because I've never talked about his profession and what he used to do and I never, you know. But this man would jump in front of a camera in a New York second to get you know in front of people. And he had that monstrosity of I want power and control and money and that's the perception I want everybody to have with me. You know, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:And I said no, you really should come on, you really should come on, you should come on, you really should come on, you should come on to the show. And then he's like why don't you let your mother come on? I'm asking you. And then she goes do you remember what she said? I, you don't want me to come on the show because you don't like what I have to say, because I wouldn't have stayed and no man would have ever put his hands on me. I would have never allowed it. Nothing would have never allowed it, nothing would have ever happened. You stayed, your choice, right.
Speaker 1:So I was like no, so I kept asking you know, do you want to come on the show? We talk about whatever you want and that's no filter no filter.
Speaker 2:And at first he's like, yeah, I'll do it, I'll do it. And then he goes no, I'm not going to do it till we have a conversation. And I was like what do we have to?
Speaker 2:and he was like, no, we're going to have a conversation about why you went to your mother and showed her all these pictures back years ago. I wanted her to know who you were right, I shouldn't have to carry the burden of your lies and deceive. I shouldn't, and I knew when I did what it would do so. So, with that being said, he asked again to have the conversation and I said no.
Speaker 1:I have nothing to conversate with him about.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to um again apologize for his actions, because that is so typical in the narcissistic relationship. Um, where I used to do it, do it sorry. My husband is opening a drink. Uh, canada, drive um. I used to always take responsibility for his actions because that's how he trained me. He trained me to be accountable for his wrongdoings. Right, that's what a narcissist does. So we sat there.
Speaker 1:Let's see how good my husband's memory is and I was like no, you need to come on.
Speaker 2:Well, when he said fine, I'll do it, I handed him a release, a liability release, which I give. We give to everybody who comes on the show right.
Speaker 2:Every single person comes on the show gets that release and in that release I did correct and add the stimulation stipulation. There's my bad speech for him coming up a stipulation to it where he, uh, you know, allows any and all, just like all waivers are done, and it's been checked by a judge, it's been checked by a lawyer that you know we use it. I told him that we would give him another name.
Speaker 2:We wouldn't go by his real name if he didn't want. It would be audio, not video, and that you know. I told him what his name would be, which happened to be the character in the book, right, and had he read it, which was his choice, he would have known, but he didn't, and it's in there that you know. We could use whatever we want to promote and discuss, and I even put a logo together with the Liberty Justice.
Speaker 2:That's right, you know together of the two of us going to have this podcast. He signed a waiver, Babe. He signed a waiver. You watched him sign the waiver Releasing any and all liability.
Speaker 1:It wasn't for a few days later.
Speaker 2:Right, but he released any and all responsibility and liability for anything having to do with who we are, what we do or anything in between, and that includes the book, everything it's all over there. So he signed it it. I said do you want a copy of it?
Speaker 2:no, no, then I guess he started listening because he wanted to know what our podcast was about, and what I don't like that I'm doing right now for the first time is I'm giving him this much attention, but it's the fact that it's our third anniversary of amputation which is kind of ironic.
Speaker 2:We haven't talked about this because it didn't feel the fire to me to, but it's just an eye-opening experience for the black sheep and the scapegoat that you know they get away with everything, but at some point in time do they really, and it might take an hour a week, a month, a decade, whatever. I have been in therapy for decades and it took me into my 40s to realize that I was a black sheep in a nice state coat been pointed out when you read this it of what it does and doesn't do um it's kind of comical at this point, but I've never wished anything but the best for them.
Speaker 2:You know I don't want the drama and trauma. I'm not going to allow anyone to hurt our kid.
Speaker 2:You know, um, she's as protective of us as we are of her and you know, the thing is is that I even, I even spoke to an attorney prior to doing this book and the attorney was very adamant that said, look, you are being way above and beyond in protection of their identities and if anyone ever wanted to dispute it, they would have to show how you were lying about it. And then you have the right to show how you work and you could redact all of the redaction and then you could publicly show everything right. And I was like, but I don't do that and it was just kind of a come to fruition thing. And then when you said that basically the same thing earlier I was was like well, okay, you know, it's just it's.
Speaker 2:Why can't people just life's too short, why can't you just allow yourself to be happy and get your shit out of other?
Speaker 1:people's business. I mean, what message would you like to end with? Well, you didn't write this book to slander and belittle and desecrate someone's name. I didn't. You wrote it as a fact-based thing that is happening in people's lives and this is how manipulative they can be, how controlling they can be, and to show people, hey, this is what I did, this is what I gathered, and you know, now I've released this and I've got it off my chest. You know I presented the information to those involved and you know I sleep better. You know. So, yeah, to those involved. And I, you know I sleep better, you know. So, yeah, I love you I love you.
Speaker 2:And what would you say to someone who tried to like?
Speaker 1:well, come in between us.
Speaker 2:Hit the road, jack come on, you know back in the day my husband was the most protective, defensive it. He was so sexy Well.
Speaker 1:I would tell you about someone I met today. Do that.
Speaker 2:But I'm just saying it was so defensive and sexy and just protective. But I mean, I know that if somebody go ahead and try to do anything to hurt me.
Speaker 1:No nothing's coming between you and I, or that little girl, except for your doll, my hair is your dog stuck though y'all man her, her service dog stuck though my boy, that's my baby gets up there in the bed with us at night and I will lean over and try to kiss my wife goodnight and he will put all four balls up against me, exclusively away from my own life. I know I'm not the only one out there that's got a dog like that.
Speaker 2:Well, we have both dogs in the bed, but he'll actually come up and put his head on my pillow and then he puts his paw on my heart and you're spooning me from behind and like if my husband's hand is over my head, sucka will start nudging it. Or like if my husband is, you know, if I'm sitting on the bed talking to my husband, at the end of the day he jumps up, and if my husband comes over and he kisses me, he'll push him away.
Speaker 1:He's a jealous dog, he is not, it's my baby. Yeah, he's something alright.
Speaker 2:He's my baby. Thank y'all for listening.
Speaker 1:Be sure to get those books off Amazon. Who Kicked First? And Nard Nard, who's there? By Victoria Curie.
Speaker 2:And one last little thing and I hope you add to this and if you read it, don't comment. That's you. Read it, don't comment. And that's not what I was going to say, and I hope you add to this If you are the black sheep of the scapegoat, as we both are, do not allow someone who is miserable because misery loves company. Don't allow a narcissist who cannot accept and or take responsibility for their own actions continue to tear you down.
Speaker 2:I know it is so much easier said than done, I know it, and even when you're not, right front and center, they're still gonna try, but when that's the case, just remember who you are. Brush yourself off dust yourself off and say yeah, I'm better than that and it's not that easy, but it's a good starting point. Anything you want to say to Abinette, that's it.
Speaker 1:Good night y'all.
Speaker 2:My husband wants to go to bed.
Speaker 1:Yes, take my wife and let her know.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't think so. Thank y'all.
